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Thursday, 13 December 2012

How to help a relativist think....

One of the greatest problems in evangelising is knowing when to stop the metaphysical and epistemological arguments and go for the jugular.

I use the Socratic Method. I ask the non-believer what they do believe. They want to always tell me what they do not believe, but all non-believers believe in something.

It is rather easy to start a conversation using popular culture.

Example: the Sherlock series is very popular. The acting is above average and although there are some irritating photographic techniques, and the music is horrid, the interpretations of the stories have dramatic value. Some of the story-lines are based on the originals, but deviate quickly, which is fine.

The college bunch like Sherlock. So, my question to a bunch of relativists would be, "Why do you believe that murder is wrong and horrible, and even perhaps betraying your country is wrong?"

"If you do not believe that spying and betrayal are wrong, why do you watch the show?"

"Are Chinese gangs evil, as portrayed? Why do you think violence is wrong or right depending on who is being violent or receiving violence?"

Make the relativist begin to think that maybe there is a natural law.

Secondly, if they back off, it is because they are lazy thinkers. Help them along.

"Why do you like Sherlock?" OK, he is cool, (You can tell he is not an INTJ by the way as he needs to get a reaction.) and smart and always right, mostly. But, ask the relativist why it is important for Sherlock to be correct in his thinking. Another question could be "Why do you think Sherlock is a good guy and Moriarity is a bad guy?" Because one is psychotic...?

As I wrote in an earlier post in the past few days, too many people think that success means goodness. Hmmm.

The writers of Sherlock are a bit confused on the moral issues themselves, but that is another issue.

It is full of relativistic nonsense as one could see in the first series in 2010. Being gay is OK, as is fornication and nudity and sadism...well, almost.

The simple truth is that the relativist young person makes decisions daily on likes and dislikes based on moral principles which most young people do not realize they make.

Relativism is a moral stand.

Individualism is a moral stand.

So, even those who think they do not have opinions and do not want to foist them onto anyone else, do.

So, is it OK if a S/M flirts with the virginal Sherlock and he almost succumbs?  Or, is it OK that he lies to get to get a reaction? And, he needs to impress. Too bad-that is his weakness.

And don't tell me it is not a series of stories about murder mysteries and merely a "thriller". That is the Millennialist cop-out.

Natural law is always there, hidden or not...we just need to help these young ones pull it out of the dark cave of indifference, anti-intellectualism and sloth.

The real reason why people fall away from the Church, and youth raised in Ireland, who are call themselves atheists fall into that category, is usually not for rational reasons. Most likely, the person has decided to live with his girlfriend or be gay, or think that cheating on exams is fine. The intellectual arguments of a real intellectually convinced atheist are rare.

By the way, Sherlock thinks both logically and analogically. His going into his mind-palace is analogical thinking as the logical thinking has failed to solve the problem.  When I taught logic, I discovered that most girls in America thought analogically and most guys, logically. However, (I first taught college in 1979 and stopped in 2010 with a hiatus as a stay-at-home-mom in between there somewhere) that changed over the years. More and more men were thinking analogically. Sad. That is the creativity which depends on memory and associations of an excellent observer. Enough said....

DISCLAIMER: I am writing about secular humanists and not Catholics. The Catholic trad youth are logical and more so, as they are more traditional.


Henry Edwards said...

"It is full of relativistic nonsense as one could see in the first series in 2010. Being gay is OK, as is fornication and nudity and sadism...well, almost."

This does not sound at all like the Sherlock Holmes to which I am devoted. What am I missing?

Supertradmum said...

Henry Edwards, the characterisation of Holmes is good and so is Watson, but the story writers made everything PC. I have only seen two years of it and was disappointed but not surprised at the juicing up. However, the kids like it and I know from feedback they want to discuss these sorts of questions. Irene Adler, an actress in the books, is a Dominatrix in the series. An unnecessary change.

As to the gayness, Moriarity, an actor from Dublin who is gay and an ex-Catholic, is played as some sort of transgender sychopath, which is chilling and effective. But, if you are a purist, do not bother. There is another series coming out in 2013 and I assume some of the stories while be used, such as the ones already-Hound of the Baskervilles, A Scandal in Bohemia and others.

Jack said...

Why I Like Sherlock

Apart from the thrill of Sherlock using logic to solve crimes the story of Watson humanising Holmes is brilliant.

At the start Lestrade's subordinate sally is correct when she identifies Holmes as psychopath, he and Moriarty are two sides of the same coin, the only difference being that Holme’s solves crimes whilst Moriaty commits them; Lestarde and Mycroft both appreciate Sherlock’s deductive talents but also see his human failings “Shrerlock Holmes is a great man and one day, if we’re lucky” he might even be a good one” But certainly by the end of the second series we see that living with Watson has humanised Holmes; he goes out of his way to save Irene Adler, he admits to Watson that he is his only friend and after Moriarty commits suicide he feigns death and allows his name to be tarnished in order to save Watson, Lestrade and Ms Hudson who he has allowed to humanise him, even though he’ll only admit it to Moriarty.

I wonder if we will meet the future Mrs Watson in the next series.....

PS I do sympathise with the character of Irene Adler, although she is a whore and flamboyant about it you get the sense that there is more to her than that, her need for ‘protection’ suggests that sometime long long ago she was betrayed and the pain was so great that she decided that she could never trust anyone else again. Her ‘beauty’ is a cold beauty that is only surface deep and is quite frankly unappealing to those of us who know what true beauty is, yet you also get the impression that our humanised Holmes saw something in her that is worth saving

Supertradmum said...

Jack..Holmes is not a psychopath....he may be a sociopath...not the same

Jack said...

sorry, I admit that Psychology is not one of my strengths

cowalker said...

One of the most fascinating facts about human morality is that billions of people believe that morality is NOT relative--and yet they disagree on what is moral and what is immoral. What is the use of insisting on the absolute nature of a morality that is not self-evident? You might as well have a relative standard, since those arguing for either an absolute or relative morality have no recourse except to persuade others that their morality is best. Simply stating that some creature outside the material universe has decreed your morality does not convince when multiple people are making this claim on behalf of different moralities.

What does any of that have to do with enjoying a drama about quirky characters who appeal to our emotional identification with victims?

Are you saying that people wouldn't enjoy a movie about a lovable pig targeted for butchering (perfectly moral by most human standards) whose life is saved by a canny spider, while ignoring the millions of pigs turned into bacon every year?

Supertradmum said...

Cowalker, you bring up some good and valid arguments. However, most Westerners, until very recent times, believed in natural law, a philosophy not bound be religion, although embraced by religions. To be a human means having a natural proclivity towards absolute goods, such as communal rules, civic duties, marriage, etc. Start there, if you are open to learning what it means to be human.